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#81
sense / Re: Neechy
Last post by sub rosa - Jul 07, 2026, 09:18 AMI mentioned fear of isolation in the list, which is closely related to the fear of freedom.
(If I feel free to do x / not do x, I will be ostracized. So I'm free to 'choose' but only as long as it's 'right').
Freedom from the crowd is needed for individuation, internal-external alignment, and choice/autonomy, whether for better or for worse.
The crowd is Social Control and peer pressure, not just a mob in front of Bastille.
Even where some degree of freedom is made available, people fear it so they become their own prison guards. Thought, discernment, agency and taking responsibility for outcomes scare humans, so they default to systems of control and person-pruning.
"If I follow script and abstain from ad libbing, I'll be safe with good outcomes." This means I don't have to face the grueling complexities of holistic reality, who I am and who relevant others are in reality, how I'm evolving and what I'm learning.
Even those who aren't afraid of freedom understand social systems punish failure to conform. Any freedom is usually the "Come Get It!" sort. Granting theoretical freedoms then turning around and threatening with "consequences" is mafia-type coercion, not freedom. Unlike individuals, systems of control cannot be held accountable. Systems automatically assign moral credit to scripts and roles even when not deserved. Jobs and bosses cannot be jails and jailers, you just lack resilience and work ethic. A family member cannot possibly be abusive or non-loving - love is there by ascription. Government cannot possibly be a thief, you're just a tax evader. Mbappe cannot be questioned, you're just a racist. Etc.
So the tendency is to default to script and always consider that the "better choice" even if this is inherently not true, and outcomes are measurably worse except in degree of conformity.
The cognitive dissonance between what the script and roles promise and the lived experience drives humans insane, which is why most can't communicate effectively, retreat into denialism, and are mental wrecks by EOL.
The answer is never infinite freedom (pure abstraction) or hard script (system slavery). It is agency within naturalistic reality, a supple social fabric, and gently defined guidelines of 'life with people.'
For example, I have the theoretical freedom to climb a tree, build a nest there, and live like a squirrel, although someone will soon call the nice men in white coat.
Discernment and sanity are needed indeed to detect where freedom turns to mental illness. Same for closely following script, at the other extreme.
Cessation of stupidity, insanity and individualism can only come through pop control and hard eugenics. But breaking cycles require going off script, which means freedom to change course away from cliff.
(If I feel free to do x / not do x, I will be ostracized. So I'm free to 'choose' but only as long as it's 'right').
Freedom from the crowd is needed for individuation, internal-external alignment, and choice/autonomy, whether for better or for worse.
The crowd is Social Control and peer pressure, not just a mob in front of Bastille.
Even where some degree of freedom is made available, people fear it so they become their own prison guards. Thought, discernment, agency and taking responsibility for outcomes scare humans, so they default to systems of control and person-pruning.
"If I follow script and abstain from ad libbing, I'll be safe with good outcomes." This means I don't have to face the grueling complexities of holistic reality, who I am and who relevant others are in reality, how I'm evolving and what I'm learning.
Even those who aren't afraid of freedom understand social systems punish failure to conform. Any freedom is usually the "Come Get It!" sort. Granting theoretical freedoms then turning around and threatening with "consequences" is mafia-type coercion, not freedom. Unlike individuals, systems of control cannot be held accountable. Systems automatically assign moral credit to scripts and roles even when not deserved. Jobs and bosses cannot be jails and jailers, you just lack resilience and work ethic. A family member cannot possibly be abusive or non-loving - love is there by ascription. Government cannot possibly be a thief, you're just a tax evader. Mbappe cannot be questioned, you're just a racist. Etc.
So the tendency is to default to script and always consider that the "better choice" even if this is inherently not true, and outcomes are measurably worse except in degree of conformity.
The cognitive dissonance between what the script and roles promise and the lived experience drives humans insane, which is why most can't communicate effectively, retreat into denialism, and are mental wrecks by EOL.
The answer is never infinite freedom (pure abstraction) or hard script (system slavery). It is agency within naturalistic reality, a supple social fabric, and gently defined guidelines of 'life with people.'
For example, I have the theoretical freedom to climb a tree, build a nest there, and live like a squirrel, although someone will soon call the nice men in white coat.
Discernment and sanity are needed indeed to detect where freedom turns to mental illness. Same for closely following script, at the other extreme.
Cessation of stupidity, insanity and individualism can only come through pop control and hard eugenics. But breaking cycles require going off script, which means freedom to change course away from cliff.
#82
sense / Re: Neechy
Last post by prime - Jul 07, 2026, 07:32 AMI think it misdirects. Our fear is of choice, specifically making lesser choices when better options were available. Fear of disease is in there too, along with pain, which is separate from death. There is also fear of isolation.
But freedom? Freedom is entirely negative in expression: "freedom from" is the same as "freedom to" but you have to posit a Christianlike good/evil in there to make it work. What do we need "freedom" for? We have freedom... we need a cessation of stupidity, insanity, and individualism.
But freedom? Freedom is entirely negative in expression: "freedom from" is the same as "freedom to" but you have to posit a Christianlike good/evil in there to make it work. What do we need "freedom" for? We have freedom... we need a cessation of stupidity, insanity, and individualism.
#83
sense / Re: Mailing List
Last post by prime - Jul 07, 2026, 07:10 AMhttps://github.com/jimt/smf-mailer
This uses the Recent Posts page
https://www.corrupt.org/boards/index.php?action=recent
Which has an RSS feed
https://www.corrupt.org/boards/index.php?action=.xml;type=rss2
and pipes it into your email
This uses the Recent Posts page
https://www.corrupt.org/boards/index.php?action=recent
Which has an RSS feed
https://www.corrupt.org/boards/index.php?action=.xml;type=rss2
and pipes it into your email
#84
sense / Re: Mailing List
Last post by GoldSoul - Jul 07, 2026, 05:43 AMIs there a daily summary option that can be sent via email?
#85
sense / Re: Neechy
Last post by sub rosa - Jul 06, 2026, 11:38 PMQuote from: prime on Jul 06, 2026, 04:44 PMCould not disagree more. People act for what makes life better. This does not require abstractions like "freedom" and "liberty." It requires making sane decisions.
Could this be just semantics?
When people invoke freedom it is to make life better. Very existentialist.
That does not mean becoming a solitary atom floating in space, free of any ties or relevance (freedom from everything). But overly rigid systems, totalist narratives, tyrannical scripts, cog machines, personhood-devouring social roles and social pressure (conformity) DO make life worse (freedom from arbitrariness and dysfunction needed).
If we ever wondered why we can't seem to "get through" to others - it is not always because those people are too thick (many are). It is because we think we talk to a person, when in fact they pruned themselves down to role & script (dehumanization) and they expect the same from us.
There are four major existential fears:
1. Fear of death
2. Fear of isolation / exclusion
3. Fear of meaninglessness
4. Fear of freedom (to which we are ultimately condemned)
Because absolute freedom is infinite and scary, people jump at the opposite end, thinking that none or very little should save them headaches. They want to escape the anxiety of agency by pretending scripts and roles are actual things and exhaustive truths; and if they identify with them and perform well, this should guarantee best outcomes.
The illusion of performativity works until the organicism of life comes through. Then esotericism kicks in, with the realization that there's no way around becoming who we are and forging our own conscious path, including contributions to the world.
Choice paralysis does not exempt anyone from the perpetual task of self-discovery and becoming creator of life-content and meaning-making based on that discovery.
In this sense, freedom (from and to) is as practical as it gets.
#86
idea / Re: Divorce, cheating, and inf...
Last post by sub rosa - Jul 06, 2026, 07:08 PMQuote from: prime on Jul 05, 2026, 07:08 AMHint: why you distrust "relationship satisfaction." After all, most of the guys in these stories were very satisfied until they suddenly noticed the wife having a gangbang with the entire population of Uruguay in a back room.
Uruguay, Paraguay ...that gives World Cup. Will never look at these teams the same way again. Thanks for the ruins and the rofls.
USA-Belgium as I type. I AM SO watching this.
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What about the entire population of Norway? Would we at least cut the wife some slack for ethnically correct behavior?
This kid...He looks like Greta.
https://www.soccerbible.com/features/2026/07/norway-s-football-project-has-reached-its-moment/
#87
idea / Re: DiversityWatch
Last post by prime - Jul 06, 2026, 06:10 PMDiversity News (July 6, 2026)
Diversity resentment, American Communism, new Ice Age, unions are all parasites.
https://www.amerika.org/politics/diversity-news-july-6-2026/
Diversity resentment, American Communism, new Ice Age, unions are all parasites.
https://www.amerika.org/politics/diversity-news-july-6-2026/
#88
idea / Re: Mailing List Discussions
Last post by prime - Jul 06, 2026, 05:59 PMQuoteI defy you to say that you believe in the God whose praises you sing, because you cannot demonstrate His existence nor is it within your capacities to define His nature, which means that you do not understand Him and since you do not understand you are incapable of furnishing me with reasoned arguments. In other words, anything which is beyond the limits of human reason is either illusion or idle fancy, and since your God must be either one or the other, I should be mad to believe in the first and stupid to believe in the second. Prove to me that matter is inert, and I shall grant you a Creator. Show me that Nature is not sufficient unto herself, and I shall gladly allow you to give her a Master. But until you can do this, I shall not yield one inch. I am convinced only by evidence, and evidence is provided by my senses alone. Beyond their limits, I am powerless to believe in anything. I believe the sun exists because I can see it: I take it to be the centre where all of Nature's flammable matter is gathered together and I am charmed but in no wise astonished by its regular courses. It is a phenomenon of physics, perhaps no more complex than the workings of electricity, which it is not given to us to understand. Need I say more? You can construct your God and set Him above such phenomena, but does that take me any further forward? Am I not required to make as much effort to understand the workman as to define His handiwork? Consequently, you have done me no service by erecting this illusion of yours. You have confused but not enlightened my mind and I owe you not gratitude but hatred. Your God is a machine which you have built to serve your own passions and you have set it to run according to their requirements. But you must see that I had no choice but to jettison your model the instant it fell out of step with my passions?
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/marquis-de-sade-dialogue-between-a-priest-and-a-dying-man
#89
idea / Re: Mailing List Discussions
Last post by prime - Jul 06, 2026, 04:55 PMHe rejected non-esoteric thought. From DMU:
I stand by this. I am an anti-diversity activist, not anti-Negro or anti-Jew or something silly like that. Diversity is suicide. Avoid suicide. Otherwise, I enjoy people of most or all races (haven't measured) and wish them well in their ethnic homelands.
Except the Italians. Deport them to Uranus.
QuoteQuoteUnless you are afraid of getting evicted, arsoned, fired, etc, then why don't you just be full on white power?
Because I am not. I am an anti-diversity activist who favors mono-ethnic societies for obvious historical reasons, but am skeptical of the pro-White movement because it denies the need for White quality and mono-ethnic (not merely mono-racial) populations.
I stand by this. I am an anti-diversity activist, not anti-Negro or anti-Jew or something silly like that. Diversity is suicide. Avoid suicide. Otherwise, I enjoy people of most or all races (haven't measured) and wish them well in their ethnic homelands.
Except the Italians. Deport them to Uranus.
#90
sense / Re: Mailing List
Last post by prime - Jul 06, 2026, 04:47 PMQuoteQuoteThanks for the suggestions. I'm just moving us to the forum. Here's why:
1. Forums are thriving, especially on the right, and the data is persistent and visible. Better than having to move between archives and email.
2. DH is not stupid and there's a reason they are getting out of mailing lists, and that reason is the DKIM/SPF/etc scam. This makes a mailing list a constant headache and liability. Note: I mentioned some years ago that this was a stupid idea advanced by a monopoly, and yet... crickets out there.
3. I cannot take on another project to manage at this time.
What components/services are used today to run the mailinglist? Maybe it would not be so painful to move it over to one of my servers? I imagine that the traffic is tiny, so the most complicated thing would probably to create various DNS entries to point at the right server.
At this point nothing is that simple, and I like the forum format better than mailing lists, social media, and even hackjobs like Masodong.