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#21
sense / Re: Platonism
Last post by prime - Jul 13, 2026, 05:03 PM
QuoteWhen asked to reflect on what form their thoughts
take, people who score low on both inner speech and
visual imagery claim that they "think in concepts." What
it means to think in concepts without relying on lan
guage is not clear. Beyond informal self-reports, the
existence of such nonverbal and nonperceptual phe
nomenal experiences is supported by Descriptive Expe
rience Sampling (Heavey & Hurlburt, 2008; Hurlburt &
Akhter, 2006). When participants are probed at random
times and asked to report on their mental states, approx
imately 22% of the time their reports are consistent with
what Hurlburt and colleagues have called "unsymbol
ized thinking." In such episodes, people feel that they
think "a particular, definite thought without awareness
of that thought being conveyed as words, images, or
any other symbols" (Heavey & Hurlburt, 2008, p. 802).
Unsymbolized thinking is a slippery construct that tends
to be defined in terms of what it is not. For example,
Hurlburt and Akhter (2008) described it as "a thinking,
not a feeling, not an intention, not an intimation, not a
kinesthetic event, not a bodily event" (p. 1366). A telling
example is a participant wondering whether her friend
will arrive in a car or pickup truck but not experiencing
any words or images; rather, the question is experienced
as a single undifferentiated whole.

https://par.nsf.gov/servlets/purl/10547757

Higher tokenization of events.
#22
metal / RIP Mike Browning
Last post by prime - Jul 13, 2026, 04:34 PM
He was responsible for a lot of the original Morbid Angel sound, including some prog elements, on their original first album, Abominations of Desolation. Ironically Earache/Dig released this in 1991, five years after it was recorded, to stave off bootlegs but it remains a solid seller. Mike Browning died yesterday at age 62. Hail to him and we will remember his deeds well.
#23
sense / Re: Platonism
Last post by prime - Jul 13, 2026, 11:31 AM
Quote from: GoldSoul on Jul 12, 2026, 10:19 PMI am unsure. I knew of a programmer who would score highish on an aptitude test; he claimed to have no inner speech. I've also heard of people who can't visualize objects in their minds and they seem to be functional. Maybe it's the same kind of disconnect that blind people have which results in compensating in other areas.

Programmers might not be the best example because (sadly) most of the job is stimulus-response. I wonder if there is more to life than baseline function, such as experiencing it as... well... some sort of qualitative experience.
#24
idea / Re: DiversityWatch
Last post by prime - Jul 13, 2026, 11:09 AM
Diversity News (July 13, 2026)
https://www.amerika.org/politics/diversity-news-july-13-2026/

Deportations rise, public debt, union corruption, Irish mafias, White flight from the workforce.
#25
sense / Re: Platonism
Last post by sub rosa - Jul 13, 2026, 06:04 AM
Quote from: GoldSoul on Jul 12, 2026, 10:19 PM
Quote from: sub rosa on Jul 08, 2026, 12:31 PMOnly a minority (around 10%) supposedly exhibits no inner speech at all, responding strictly to external stimuli. These are probably the classic tards without the science naming the spade. If you ask Chatty, it walks on eggshells ... 'well it's not really true that most people have no inner speech" then it proceeds to make the technical apologetics above.


I am unsure. I knew of a programmer who would score highish on an aptitude test; he claimed to have no inner speech. I've also heard of people who can't visualize objects in their minds and they seem to be functional. Maybe it's the same kind of disconnect that blind people have which results in compensating in other areas.

Probably no one knows for sure but I'm also wondering how accurately inner speech can be measured.
Intuitively, you can tell the extent or quality of people's inner speech by their outer behavior.
#26
sense / Re: Platonism
Last post by GoldSoul - Jul 12, 2026, 10:19 PM
Quote from: sub rosa on Jul 08, 2026, 12:31 PMOnly a minority (around 10%) supposedly exhibits no inner speech at all, responding strictly to external stimuli. These are probably the classic tards without the science naming the spade. If you ask Chatty, it walks on eggshells ... 'well it's not really true that most people have no inner speech" then it proceeds to make the technical apologetics above.


I am unsure. I knew of a programmer who would score highish on an aptitude test; he claimed to have no inner speech. I've also heard of people who can't visualize objects in their minds and they seem to be functional. Maybe it's the same kind of disconnect that blind people have which results in compensating in other areas.
#27
idea / Re: DiversityWatch
Last post by prime - Jul 12, 2026, 11:46 AM
Diversity News (July 12, 2026)

https://www.amerika.org/politics/diversity-news-july-12-2026/

Ethnic French, Houston mini-riots, DEI hire academics, street smarts debunked, slacking at work.
#28
tech / Re: Etext, Ebook, and PDF shar...
Last post by prime - Jul 11, 2026, 04:36 PM
More PDF books and articles:

https://oceanofpdf.com/
#29
idea / Re: DiversityWatch
Last post by prime - Jul 11, 2026, 11:16 AM
Diversity News (July 11, 2026)

https://www.amerika.org/politics/diversity-news-july-11-2026/

Invasive species, women sell themselves, Houston ICE shooting, Leftist sabotage.
#30
idea / Re: DiversityWatch
Last post by prime - Jul 10, 2026, 04:28 PM
Diversity News (July 10, 2026)

Netflix fades, NYC goes globalist, 4chan vs UK, Hindu nationalism, gang rape in Europe.

https://www.amerika.org/politics/diversity-news-july-10-2026/