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#21
EFC writes:
It fails when people point out that they did not ask to be born, but are afraid to die.
So we are talking quality of life here, thriving not merely surviving?
Esotericism is a thought process, not mysticism. It allows for the learning to go anywhere, even the supernatural, but these are not its precepts. It describes a method for understanding reality.
I disagree; Semitic religion is metaphysically dualistic, thus everything I said is a necessary interpretation of it. Mind control device for the masses? LOL. The masses control their own minds through peer pressure, and then scapegoat government for their endless low-IQ low-quality choices.
One or two deep breaths and his problems will all be over. I do not want to gas the Abrahamist untermenschen, on second thought... I want them to inhale fire and then suffocate as their scarred lungs shut down.
Same way I want to toss Leftists out of helicopters.
Made poorer, but they already had problems. Big point: Leftism, libertarianism, and Communism leave any area poorer.
Big point is: they made genetic changes to the population.
Could not disagree more. People act for what makes life better. This does not require abstractions like "freedom" and "liberty." It requires making sane decisions.
In the esoteric viewpoint, or we might say "Emersonian" one, all things are mirrored in all others. Patterns repeat. Now where have we heard that before?
And in an aristocracy, it persists and is nutured instead of having a tragedy of the commons.
But the doge is there. China pollutes more than anyone else because it has more third-world people.
QuoteQuoteUtility related to biological survival and reproduction, which is the actual basis of every human thought, decision, and impulse.
I think many would agree with you. There is the classic argument that is
sometimes used to "prove" that there are other people and that life is
preferable to death, and that is "you are arguing with me, that means you do
think, at some level, there are other people" alternatively "you are discussing
with me, that means at some level, you do prefer life to death, or else you
would not be here".
It fails when people point out that they did not ask to be born, but are afraid to die.
QuoteThe weakness of this argument is that it misses out on the clarification and
specification of... _a life of what_.
I, for instance, would not prefer life over death, if that life is full of pain
and slavery. That means I value pleasure and freedom more than life.
If someone said, they prefer life, regardless of any level of pain, slavery and
torture, I would whole heartedly agree, that for that person, _life_ (TM and C)
is the prime value.
So by looking at what kind of life, what it is full of, we do reach the value
judgment, the "core" value.
So we are talking quality of life here, thriving not merely surviving?
QuoteQuoteHow do you define esotericism? To me, it is similar to mysticism possibly in a religious setting, which is something I am highly skeptical of.QuoteNo, it is not necessarily linked with mysticism or the supernatural.
Ahh... another classic where my definition trip up my understanding of your thought.
Esotericism is a thought process, not mysticism. It allows for the learning to go anywhere, even the supernatural, but these are not its precepts. It describes a method for understanding reality.
QuoteQuoteEsoteric means that you do not know what you need to learn next until you have mastered the previous level.
Implication: you cannot write shit down in a textbook and teach it to people; they have to meet halfway by actively exploring.
This is why Semitic religion is so mentally retarded. They want to teach you the book, but you have simply memorized procedures and symbols, not reached understanding.
But this is the strawman Semitic religion, which was created as a mind control device for the masses. The Real (TM) Semitic religion is based on a deep, mystical, union with god/the universe/nature, call it what you like.
Based on that original union, values, rules, techniques, where communicated by Jesus in order to help other people realize this experience. Those values/rules/techniques where then bastardized into what currently goes for Semitic religion.
I disagree; Semitic religion is metaphysically dualistic, thus everything I said is a necessary interpretation of it. Mind control device for the masses? LOL. The masses control their own minds through peer pressure, and then scapegoat government for their endless low-IQ low-quality choices.
QuoteQuoteChristians are gassable untermenschen.
You just made Jesus cry!
One or two deep breaths and his problems will all be over. I do not want to gas the Abrahamist untermenschen, on second thought... I want them to inhale fire and then suffocate as their scarred lungs shut down.
Same way I want to toss Leftists out of helicopters.
QuoteQuoteI realize that is totally heretical, but the Soviet Union only fell from a failure to feed people (common Leftist failing) not from the fact that the masses wanted "freedom."
Try to argue that in eastern european countries, and you could end up in a dangerous situation if the other persons family was not a member of the communist party.
We have to apply the colonialism test here. Eastern Europe was poor, criminal, and retarded before the Soviets.
Depends on the country. The baltics were made por by soviets.
Made poorer, but they already had problems. Big point: Leftism, libertarianism, and Communism leave any area poorer.
QuoteQuoteThe best example is East Germany! In it we see a prosperous area made horrible, and since the East Germans are smarter than the Slavs, we can watch the decay in realtime.
Yes, it is really sad what they did to eastern germany. =( Sadly Berlin, which is such a nice city, has become the center for wokeness. It is being destroyed _again_.
Big point is: they made genetic changes to the population.
QuoteQuoteI don't think the masses ever want "freedom," nor do I think "freedom" and "liberty" are anything but manipulative symbols.
I disagree. Freedom and liberty are the basis for anyone to be, or to become, a human being. Without it, humanity are just robots or bees.
Could not disagree more. People act for what makes life better. This does not require abstractions like "freedom" and "liberty." It requires making sane decisions.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIn the same way -- forgive me -- most people do not give a damn about privacy. They give it away. Why? They want to use social media, etc., and they rationalize the loss of privacy as not significant.
It is because they have not been educated, nor have they learned how to think.
"Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." as the popular saying goes. ;)
Second paragraph is good, first paragraph is hope-cope. They cannot be educated; they lack the circuitry. Same way I can't teach a Macintosh to be a real computer.
Haha... you do have a way of using computer analogies to make a good point. ;)
In the esoteric viewpoint, or we might say "Emersonian" one, all things are mirrored in all others. Patterns repeat. Now where have we heard that before?
QuoteQuoteQuoteState power has actually been _the_ most polluting entity throughout the history of the planet.
Dodge: it depends on the state. And without some authority, the pollution will never end because most people are shitheads. Sorry man.
But the dodge likewise works in the other direction. ;) Note that in a private
world, there _is_ someone in authority for every piece of land.
And in an aristocracy, it persists and is nutured instead of having a tragedy of the commons.
But the doge is there. China pollutes more than anyone else because it has more third-world people.
#22
tech / Re: F/OSS follies
Last post by prime - Jul 06, 2026, 10:06 AMUpdate: the F-Droid forum banned me for reporting these glitches. Lol, the free software people are as abusive as the paid software people.
#23
sense / Re: Psychopaths and Narcissist...
Last post by prime - Jul 05, 2026, 08:20 PMAt least it's a Nokia.
One area where forums beat everything else: we can track the progress of a conversation easily, over years and decades, and see where our suppositions lead.
It's different, yes, but it is also very far removed from what the normies and influencers are doing, and more importantly, gives us a place for a real public discussion.
One area where forums beat everything else: we can track the progress of a conversation easily, over years and decades, and see where our suppositions lead.
It's different, yes, but it is also very far removed from what the normies and influencers are doing, and more importantly, gives us a place for a real public discussion.
#24
sense / Re: Psychopaths and Narcissist...
Last post by Flying Kites - Jul 05, 2026, 06:54 PMThis forum needs the action. One door closes, another one opens. After all these years failing to convince others of using email, a blog or forum, I have to be polemic in my regret and correction. Get off your phones and get on a computer. And I tap this on a numberpad using a 2022 Nokia flip phone I found in a plastic shopping bag among a bunch of phone chargers still with its documentation seeming unused. Get this, the operating system is called "chaos," KaiOS, Chinese as if anybody needed to guess. The settings include an ICE doumentation option in case anybody were so helpful as to list identifying info from a phone some gringo tossed them on their way inside the country.
Textig like this is a chore.
As my child, the years I lived raising myself, I put unhealthy emphasis on a spiritual observer which turned out not to be anything Abrahamic, but much like a classic Greek conception of daemon, hence myself observing myself and only later making the connection because of all the troubles being somebody is in this insane and inversive diversity times we're living. I imagine that psychopathy, neuroticism &c has a hole in the brain where there needs to be dreams, virtuous leisure escaping work and the rolecall of a civilization of workers and socialites. Imagination must be freed from the human.
Textig like this is a chore.
As my child, the years I lived raising myself, I put unhealthy emphasis on a spiritual observer which turned out not to be anything Abrahamic, but much like a classic Greek conception of daemon, hence myself observing myself and only later making the connection because of all the troubles being somebody is in this insane and inversive diversity times we're living. I imagine that psychopathy, neuroticism &c has a hole in the brain where there needs to be dreams, virtuous leisure escaping work and the rolecall of a civilization of workers and socialites. Imagination must be freed from the human.
#25
sense / Re: Psychopaths and Narcissist...
Last post by sub rosa - Jul 05, 2026, 02:33 PMI wonder if 'Eternal Justice' is not what you want it to be.
Forum is nice. It just feels weird to move from the mailing list. Amazing how any change, even trivial nothings, messes with the brain.
Forum is nice. It just feels weird to move from the mailing list. Amazing how any change, even trivial nothings, messes with the brain.
#26
sense / Re: Psychopaths and Narcissist...
Last post by prime - Jul 05, 2026, 02:17 PMI wonder if "loyalty to biology and God" is not Eternal Justice.
#27
sense / Re: Psychopaths and Narcissist...
Last post by sub rosa - Jul 05, 2026, 02:13 PMIn essence, its ego vs id - the logic 'chaos' of one's wiring.
Fiction-absolute is ego. Becoming who you truly are (id-driven) is integrity and innocent will-to-power. Jung called it 'the privilege of a lifetime.'
Loyalty to ego and social systems (the co-called "Worldly Factor") = disloyalty to Biology and God.
Fiction-absolute is ego. Becoming who you truly are (id-driven) is integrity and innocent will-to-power. Jung called it 'the privilege of a lifetime.'
Loyalty to ego and social systems (the co-called "Worldly Factor") = disloyalty to Biology and God.
#28
idea / Re: Divorce, cheating, and inf...
Last post by prime - Jul 05, 2026, 09:56 AMQuoteA recent study published in the Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy suggests that over half of adults worry about their sex drive, with most concerns centering on having a libido that feels too low or fails to match a partner's level of desire.
https://www.psypost.org/more-than-50-percent-of-adults-worry-about-their-libido-new-study-finds/
#29
sense / Psychedelic experiences
Last post by prime - Jul 05, 2026, 08:56 AMI remember talking about this on the mailing list. The experience is not unique to the user, and that is its power; you are tapping-in not creating it. We discover reality, not choose aspects of it to focus on while ignoring others, because all is connected. Psychedelia is transcendental and esoteric.
QuoteObservational data indicates that experienced users tend to score unusually high in openness and low in neuroticism. In some populations, such as groups that use ayahuasca in traditional religious ceremonies, individuals also exhibit higher levels of agreeableness and self-transcendence. Self-transcendence is a psychological concept related to feeling connected to the wider universe, spiritual acceptance, and a sense of unity with nature.
https://www.psypost.org/classic-psychedelics-linked-to-lasting-increases-in-openness-and-drops-in-neuroticism/
#30
idea / Re: Divorce, cheating, and inf...
Last post by prime - Jul 05, 2026, 07:08 AMQuoteResearchers found that manic love, emotional dependence, and love addiction each have distinct psychological profiles, suggesting they should be studied and treated as separate conditions rather than being grouped together.
Higher relationship satisfaction was significantly associated with emotional dependence, but lower relationship satisfaction was significantly associated with manic love attitudes.
Additionally, anxious insecure attachment was significantly associated with love addiction but was not a significant meta-analytic correlate of emotional dependence.
Among the three types of problematic love behaviors, emotional dependence was linked to the widest range of psychological and relationship factors. Emotional dependence was tied to alcohol and substance use, behavioral addictions, violence (both received and perpetrated), and relationship satisfaction. Low self-esteem emerged as a common feature of both emotional dependence and manic love, while behavioral addictions were linked to both emotional dependence and love addiction.
https://www.psypost.org/love-addiction-emotional-dependence-and-manic-love-have-distinct-psychological-profiles/
Hint: why you distrust "relationship satisfaction." After all, most of the guys in these stories were very satisfied until they suddenly noticed the wife having a gangbang with the entire population of Uruguay in a back room.