Cyberspace - 07/03/08 - The dollar or the green? That's the question George Monbiot posed in his latest editorial for the Guardian. Monbiot argues that while climate awareness is spreading among people, including the lower classes, the economic worries threaten to overshadow the climate debate. The conflict is well-known for all the readers of Corrupt, who have followed the news releases describing a world where self-interest rules society. The solution promoted by Corrupt and its supporters is a new design where we uphold ancient values of honour, communitarianism, holistic morals, and a joyful, heroic outlook on life. To battle the greed of the financial globalist elite, we need spiritual and cultural weapons. This is not a struggle between armed armies, it's a war between different paradigms of values.

The 1st of July, a crusade of Corruptian cybersoldiers began infiltrating the comments to the editorial and get the disillusioned greenist movement back on track by addressing the real issues and downplaying the self-defeatist mentality of greens who want to believe in change, but revert into defending detailed solutions that only serve as symbolic resistance. "Conservationist" immediately brought the discussion back to the topic of modern selfishness as a psychological motive that underlies the self-destruction of the Western world:

We've followed what is popular/profitable and it got us into this mess; surely we're smarter than repeating the same mistake again.

Most people vote for whatever seems good at the time. They're unaware of everything beyond about the next two weeks, or their next vacation. So the line "Being selfish today will destroy everything in the future" gets the response "What do I care, I'll be dead or retired. I need the money, a new truck and a big-screen TV right now!"

Several people pointed out how the governmental body of politics consistently denies or ignores the real problems facing our planet, and how this is linked to a push for totalitarian globalization. "jeanaillant" put it this way:

The world expansion is a direct function of the energy consumtion. Oil is the major contributor. It has allowed the globalization by reducing the shipping cost. It is also the source of the green revolution which has allow the world population to double in the last 30 years. (fertilizers, pesticides, mechanisation, irrigation, improved seeds)

The club of Rome told us already in 1970 that we could not keep on growing this way as nature doest not like geometrical progression. But they were turn into ridicule.

Today as we do not want to acknowledge previous mistakes, we are invoking a new pretext to halt the world development: the supposed climate change. Yet proofs that man is responsible for that change, if real, are twisted. But what is sure is, that it is another excuse for European governments to raise once more taxes and reduce our liberties.

The 1984-esque scenario concerned several readers, including "icurahuman2," who argued that our civilization itself is at stake, and that a shared effort to recognize the environmental problems and consolidate under that banner to save both the ecology and the human society we've established as parallel to it, is ultimately the goal for humanity at this point in history:

There are two choices before us. We can turn even more against each other in an epic battle of tribes over the remaining resources, and decline rapidly to fringe-dwelling remnants - unto even total annihilation in a battle of the last civilisations standing. Or, we can unite in light of assured paucity of resources and decline slowly toward equilibrium with a shared common goal, the survival of civilisation itself!

Regardless if our climate fears turn out to be based on false information, which at this point is highly unlikely, the problem of overpopulation, deforestation and overindustrialization remain our top green problems to do deal with. Corrupt wants to solve these problems by immediately strangling the world population growth and reduce its numbers down to ~1 billion intelligent, beautiful and creative human individuals, cut back on the technological and industrial overhead, simplify our lifestyle and adapt it to the human nature and its need for physical and mental challenge, and exchange our modern values for those upheld by ancient civilizations that praised the nobility, passion and idealism in man.

Participants included: ElizH, ThinkPositive, Antiglobalism, Conservationist, dave931, forestfrost, jeanaillant, endeu, hobobum, icurahuman2

Target: George Monbiot / This economic panic is pushing the planet right back down the agenda

References for further studies:

Climate scepticism: The top 10
Global population is higher than the Earth can sustain
Corrupt DATA: Globalism
Corrupt Persona: Pentti Linkola

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